Jesus simplified things and cut to the heart of the matter. Have heaven and earth passed away yet? From childhood I have repeatedly read it cover to cover, daily, on my own, studying. I pray the Spirit soften your heart (and readers) and show you Truth inspite of the majoritys error. Anyway, sometime after they moved down here, people kept forwarding me their Bible prophecy teaching video called Daniel Unsealed and asking me what I thought about it. Using the ancient Hebrew mindset of my ancestors, Leah, it is clear as a bell that Kefa is talking about people who have no real knowledge of the Scriptures, or their unstable minds distort what theyve read to their own destruction. I tried looking up the definition of cult in the 1828 Websters dictionary, (to dispel political correct definitions) and I find no result. God forbid the men you referenced enter into Islam instead of HR. To think such a thing is reading INTO the text that which is not there. David pressed him on this: did Brandon feel he would/should/could stone him for blasphemy, under these conditions? Romans 8:2 My Messianic Jewish wife and I both agree that many Christians have never truly understood the sacrificial death and the glorious resurrection our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, or the glaring fact that he is the Torah, the Prophets, and the Holy Writings, in flesh and blood, which is now a glorified body. Others at worst ignore the scriptures and claim the instructions God gave have been done away with but then they complain because they are plagued by secret sins. Come and walk around the east coast city I live in with me and you will SEE how an experiential walk with the living new covenant Torah is like. 3. Little has changed over the centuries, except that there have always been faithful who sought to keep Torah, including the Sabbath (rest), the appointed times of YHVH,, eating only clean animals aka food, etc., as well as lawless ones who persecuted them. Our earthly Messiah only spoke the words given Him by His heavenly Father. You never know whats gonna happen! My point here is the commandments stay but the methodology changes. I want to thank you for your bravery on addressing this strange movement and their strange, and potentially dangerous ideas, that I personally find to be devoid of Christianity (think Flannery OConnors idea of the Church of God without Christ). And while this may seem trivial to many people, lets not forget that Replacement Theology has done more to skew the true meaning of Scripture than any other modern-day philosophy that I can think of. If one wants to refute them or anyone elses teachings, the only way to do so is with using accurate scripture themselves. No, They are morbid NO Love abounding. This argument has nothing really to do with (Shamar) keeping the Sabbath. 3 and the entire book of Hebrews a few times for further clarification. to fall upon, attack, desert, fall away to , go away to, fall into the hand of But we need to understand what it means to love. Faith with out works is dead. Then you finally claimed to one of my co-authors some excuse that wasnt even good enough for me to remember! . Yes Sean ..I do not know ..I believe . Learn the Torah, then the Brit HaDesha will be fully understood in the context in which it was written. Matthew 7:21-23New King James Version (NKJV), I Never Knew You -2 Corinthians 11:3-4 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Download our new app to: - Watch & Share 119 videos - Share Viral Graphics on Facebook, Twitter, and Tumblr - Use the Hebrew Roots Map to find others in your area - Gain Instant Access to Our Creator's Calendar If you disagree, then you will need to conclude that Jesus also did what he just said was WRONG. -Acts 1:8 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. Also something to consider, the Roman Catholic Church has openly stated that they changed the Sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday. When I pray in Hebrew, I do my best never to think in English, Italian, Spanish or German. The following is stated on page 1 of the transcript, The word fulfilled and Matthew 5:17 are either interpreted as being fulfilled in the sense of fully preaching or teaching the law of God, or fulfilling in the sense of no longer making the law of God applicable. To read more from Tim and not miss a single new article, sign up for his free newsletter above. verse 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: what we are no longer under is THE CURSE OF THE LAW!!! to fall Its not worth it. The two things we keep finding is faith & righteousness I.e. Also remember it is those that have the testimony of Jesus and keep the commandments of God. And the famous scripture in John 10: GRACE has existed since the Garden of Eden and is taught in Judaism. Do we then make void the law through faith? Tammuz is a Babylonian mighty one.. How can the so called Hebrew calender then be the correct one if it uses Babylonian deities as its months? However, we do not have a location that is open to visitors. 2nd Hour.mp3 My name is Antonio. praise be to the most High. You search the scriptures because you think in them you have eternal life; and it is these that bear witness of me.? In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children; yes, Father, for such was your gracious will. (Luke 10:21), I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 2. to carry through to the end, to accomplish, carry out, (some undertaking) Cultures have changed, therefore such laws as slavery dont apply as we dont have slaves! Once you get past the double negatives and indirect language, the concluding statement contradicts itself, contradicts statements earlier in the text, and contradicts the title. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. Will return tomorrow or the next day. Using minimal staff aids our efforts to effectively deliver free quality teachings to all. a vehicle to disseminate Yahweh's truth and the whole Word of God to help others alsoseek, teach and live out the truth of the Word. This new covenant has a torah as instructed by Messiah himself. The more you know whats actually in Scripture the better you can spot the errors. HE DOES NOT CHANGE!!! Christianity wants to ignore the context. God is not fair ..He is merciful . ALL. The Jews believed that Simon Bar Khokhba was the Messiah. And how is it wrong to keep the Sabbath that God told us to keep (not Rome) especially when the Apostle are noted in 8 different places in the Epistles of KEEPING the 7th day Sabbath. This revelation is crucial for a relationship with our Messiah, good and great Chief Shepard. a new Law ?, a new law that somehow appears to be just like the old law with a few things changed? Or do you believe this is an acceptable interpretation of the Word of God? I am talking about the God of Abraham Issac and Jacob who is the Creator of the universe and much more. I am not of Jewish heritage or seminary trained. Our purpose is to seek and bring the truth to all nations, unlearn false doctrines and traditions of men, and to equip the body to live and practice the Word as God originally intended.We find that continuously examining the Scriptures (in the same Hebraic first century context and perspective in which they were written and understood) reveals to His people much more understanding, as opposed to the more common Greek mindset that is a couple thousand years removed. They are challenging the status quo of todays Christianity and false doctrines that are in place due to the traditions of men. I know exactly what you are saying, I was taught that too in the Christian churches. Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight. My husband after marriage 30 yrs, last year he fell back into this website and today he seems to get more into it and I cant do anything about it. complete to the bring to an end, abolish, end this is just not acceptable reasoning. But together we can search the Scriptures, focusing on what they actually say and understanding the simplicity that they contain, avoiding pitfalls and incorrect doctrine given by men. Why? He mentions this: The words that I say to you I do not speak on My own initiative, but the Father abiding in Me does His works. (vs 10). If a Muslims or a Hindus life improves, should we all praise Allah or Krishna? I think its wrong to say all believers MUST keep the feasts. Well look at what God did to the 10 tribes (northern kingdom of Israel) who didnt keep His instructions and fell the way of doing what was right in their own eyes God DIVORCED them. I have to disagree with you as well. Some are Very subtle, but still present. 119 Ministries Shalom, You have been added to the 119 Ministries Hebrew Roots . Leah is right analysis, They destroy, Not build, like Jesus said Several scriptures what the Kingdom is like. Im not sure why you believe that a proper understanding can only come through knowledge of Hebrew & Jewish tradition. Truly Question-Test everything! Make sure it is backed by the fullness of scripture? Unfortunately your words are opinions and not truth. and it being written down would serve all of us better. David ..the danger from 119 and HR is the same that paul faced down in Galatia Paul saw the danger of a group placing too much emphasis on the outer spiritual pride . My name is Lisa and I would not like to be called anything else but the name I was given at birth. 33 For this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says ADONAI: I will put my Torah within them and write it on their hearts; I will be their God, and they will be my people. a religious cult Do you see the synonyms? From their video "What is the Gospel, part 1 "The message in the instructions of Christ is also taught in the week of unleavened bread. Women are looking for a fathers love. I would like to go on record that this is a new study for me ( I am into the study about 1 and a half years) and I still have much to learn. We believe we are saved by grace through faith in the Word of God (Jesus/Yeshua). This is the latter! In fact, if youre not careful just like the Sanhedrin in the Book of Acts you might very well find yourselves fighting God! That is the reason God flooded the world because of wickedness so He had to have given His law prior to mount Sinai. Til then, youre just another feminized waster of what warriors created. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. Making reference to himself Yeshua said that Gods word is truth. Which is again a huge example of the importance of freedom in Christ. David will be in the kingdom and liars thrust out. After some lengthy and fiery debates recently on Youtube, with some who are claiming that the Apostle Paul is a liar and a false prophet, yet would have us obey the Commandments (just as I thought!). . 3. to carry into effect, bring to realisation, realise We sent the paper to you for private review; we were ignored. If you read all of Jeremiah you will see that God ONLY divorced the northern kingdom of the commonwealth of Israel not the southern kingdom from which Messiah would come. This does not mean one is to go out and willfully sin because they have grace! May God bless us all and give us guidance and strength. In fact I believe that. New Flash: the Messianic Community of the 1st century was the original Hebrew Roots Movement. Only those who know Love and have love can give it ..only those who have been forgiven can forgive . Certainly you are not following all the Mosaic Law (613) because the temple no longer exists nor do the Levite priests. Slowly & as I have time. Also the "Trinity" is out the window! In context, in vs. 20 hes talking about the mosaic law. You along with others seem to make this a salvific argument time and time again. So, Leah, you have two choices. Why Jesus Will Tell Christians, Depart From Me, I Never Knew You!. Im also angry with those who continue to perpetuate the Identity Theft that has been perpetrated against Yeshua the Messiah, transforming him into something that he is not and never will be, a Palestinian Freedom Fighter and a political revolutionary who wantonly violates the Torah and the rest of the Scriptures that he himself gave to my people, rightfully presenting himself as the Word of the one true and living God. Sinai was for EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES and that hasnt changed! I will respond in kind, for now i will preface my response with a short rebuttal. (Hasnt anyone every wondered why there were so many OTHER groups such as the disabled, gypsies etc who were ALSO murdered at Hitlers hand, yet get no sympathy or mention whatsoever?). and I dont really care about material things. This seems to be the main issue I continually hit with when dealing with these accusations. But if He doesnt, I wont pretend He did and write what I think anyway. I did it when I left the RCC to become born again at a Baptist assembly. As a Christian and through experience, Christians denominations are divided as they add or take away from the word of the living God. My former priest showed me. Since the Messiah died, now he can reconcile these brothers of his and they can return to Him. Once the church sees who it really is and how Christ is now riding through history with his Army, defeating the enemy in every realm of life.. we will come alive and realize these are the Days of Vengeance (justice). and the darkness has not suppressed it. This is exactly why everyone has to read the Holy Bible on their own and honestly pray to God, pray to Jesus Christ for wisdom and discernment. 119 is right on target. I start by praying for protection and then ask for wisdom and for the truth to be clear. Are you speaking life with yours? There are many books on this subject but his is the best Ive found. Heavy Burdens. News Flash, the Greeks and the Romans worshiped false gods (Satan, his fallen angels, and demons). 28 With respect to the Good News they are hated for your sake. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. When I took the time to watch the video, I was surprised to see that they were clearly influenced by the speculation of Mark Biltz about the four blood moons of 2014-2015. And the new testament is Greek and a bit Aramaic. 3 Are you so foolish? so I did a lot of study to be able to defend my faith at the time only to find the RCC was responsible for a lot of changes to Scriptural doctrine and understanding.) My wife and I, and the members of our Messianic congregation are a part of the remnant, chosen by grace. When I say unto the wicked, O wicked man, thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand. 1) Refer to 119 Ministries teaching entitled Pleroo the Law. She is in submission to her boss, her authority, her head! YES! You mentioned Rom. I did not mean to presume anything from your writings. All the nations will come to the mountain of the Lord. What was written in our hearts? Leah, I believe my sister and mother have been hooked in by 119. Mens hearts are wicked, Yahweh would never put it on us to figure out what is right and wrong. It has to be, otherwise we have all been deceived and Psalm 119 was not inspired by the Holy Spirit. Before we jump to pointing fingers and calling certain people deceivers, we must examine the teaching and heart extensively. You wrote [w]hat scholars are interested in Thats interesting. ALL who believe in the GOD of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob! You can deny it all you want. I now read His Word in the light of the Holy Spirit and not with the teachings of the Christian Church and I have been absolutely amazed at how he has brought understanding and confirmation to things I never really understood before. The Word also tells us that there will be a great FALLING AWAY (APOSTASY) in the end times. Was it just because Or did Moses have a relationship AND obeyed the Creator? the only rebuttal you need is Dr Michael Browns continuous rebuttals to Tovia who refuses to debate Dr Brown since the last open debate. Simply, the entire flow of Scripture, from Gan Eden, before the fall, until at least the end of the Millennial Kingdom is Patriarchal. We are all called to study and test these things. I have never heard anyone say they keep To Gods teachings as a way to earn salvation, but that is all I hear others accuse them of doing or saying. I believe Christ is risen from the dead and on the right hand of the Father so again no need to keep learning that year after year . Jesus/Yeshua Himself called God, Our Father ..do you call your dad by his name ? The prodigal son! Simply put, we can not keep Gods commandments and laws without the sacrifice of Christ. . SOOOO, now, is it wrong across the board for any believer to watch Seinfeld? The Gospel of the Kingdom will return but it is not going to convince the world until Satan is removed at the Millennium start. The one party New Covenant was established by Jesus blood. Peter decided that the church would not impose the Jewish law upon gentile believers, but that the church would treat the sacrament of Baptism as initiation into the faith with no further requirements. The whole of Scripture speaks with one voice, man is and always has been more accountable and responsible for the ladies. If you are following the patterns of the Mosaic Law, then are you are building your own set of laws much like the Pharisees did? And some smack you in the face. I will say this , Paul in his letter to the galatians knew very well where the attempt of reaching perfection through the keeping of the mosaic law would lead to the killing of the spirit ..to the keeping of the outward at the cost of the inward I have seen it written by a founder of the movement ( Hebrew Roots) that sacrifices are not done because there is no temple in Jerusalem and no priest and this because of mans disobedience ..this is not true. One reason I despise nationalism ..including secular Israel for it separates . Galatians 5:22-26. If you continue in the letter to the Galatians..in that 3rd chapter you quoted above. Or, you can just start tearing pages out of your Bible, regarding everything you disagree with or dont particularly like, until there is nothing left. -1 Peter 3:15-16, 1 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom: 2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching. Messiah sent us the Holy Spirit. Leah, with respect to the word new used in that a new commandment I give you portion in the Greek it is kainos which means renewed (like the new moon each month isnt really a new different moon.) If you truly believed what you think Paul says is the true interpretation then you would leave them alone and not place your uneducated judgment upon them, if they do this unto God then it is unto God according to popular Christian dogma. 3:29, We were made to belong to Christ at the point of Abraham & the promise, not at the point of Moses & the Law. Deceived? Ive probably read 5 or less articles, not books, in looking to argue the truth in the things Ive written on this site. If they are not intentionally doing so, then they need to take a step back and reevaluate what they are promoting, because it is demonstrably UNscriptural. In our paper, we mentioned that you had said you were planning another video on Leviticus 20. I believe that YHWH doesnt make mistakes and there is absolutely no flaw in the modern method. Shabbat. Then there is the construction of the building. They are teachers of the Hebrew Roots cult. Cant get much more Hebrew Roots than that. Studying the law of Moses is edifying in understanding Gods law and His will for His people / church. Facebook. I can judge my brothers and sisters with Torah. The bible explains itself if and when one is willing to test it hard enough. Note: MadeManMinistries.com has no relations with 119 Ministries, But MadeManMinistries.com enjoys sharing the word. Do I judge you if you decide to eat pork? 4 Did you suffer so many things in vainif indeed it was in vain? Do they teach that Salvation comes solely by the adherence to the Mosaic Law? He doesnt at all say the words hes saying are from the words given long ago by the Father. I am so thankful for 119 Ministries. Freedom in Christ is not freedom to live as we choose. And there is very little true reverence (or healthy fear) towards God nowadays. I didnt come to destroy them, but to fulfill them, because I tell all of you with certainty that until heaven and earth disappear, not one letter or one stroke of a letter will disappear from the Law until everything has been accomplished. He used those words to test the quality and strength of this womans faith. This is how you are to rid your community of this wickedness. Costa Rica may be a small country but the mountanous terrain and poor roads makes for a great divide between Tilaran where they live and I.). And that is a big reason why there is so many people who Im sorry to say? "DAVIDA MAN AFTER MY OWN HEART, WHO WILL DO ALL MY WILL". One other thing: I can follow the rebuttals The difference between the blue and the black text is indistinguishable. I choose the third option of translation. Do you believe Yahusha to be God? Amen!. Just would like to see how you think. The false teaching continues on page 4: Established in 2010, 119 Ministries is a Non-for-Profit ministry consisting of teachers, a few other paid staff, and a collection of international volunteers who assist with administrative and logistical operations. Well, Hebrews 10:26-31 seems to tell a different story: 26 For if we deliberately continue to sin after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but only the terrifying prospect of Judgment, of raging fire that will consume the enemies. So hes clearly delineating Israel is his first target; the world isnt far behind. What Paul was doing in these letter is called Halacha or a Halachic Ruling. He cant have two heads any more that we can. All it takes is testing what the Word says to the Word without mans convoluted opinions to dilute your study. They have a lot of good information to glean from, but a few things have caught my attention as well. . Folks, wake up, this is Roman Catholic doctrine! We believe the whole unchanging Word of God is for all in the faith, and applicable today. Gods power is manifested in beautiful ways as I take up my cross and follow Him in the power of The Holy Spirit. What they fail to realize is that we didnt create the separation between Israelites and gentiles (goyim, in Hebrew). We can get a following like many of the popular televangelist but when is the last time you heard disciples warned to count the cost of love . Perhaps that ^^ is the very prayer any Believer should say before asking for guidance re Scripture. it is easy to attack what we dont understand! They penetrate the heart to motivate righteous behavior. Then there is another Covenant issued by Moses on behalf of the Father. Its really that simple! But he was killed, and all his followers were scattered.38 So in the present case, my advice to you is not to interfere with these people, but to leave them alone. All 119 is trying to do is truly, unbiasedly challenge believers in Yeshua to test and prove with OT and NT agreement what they believe. - 2 Corinthians 5:17 biblegateway.com 2 Corinthians 5:17 (ESV) Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. Simply put, John 14:15. Mary came on Sunday morning because the Sabbath had ended. I think 119 ministries is good for wealthy americans but so is every other denomination. Yeshua HaMashiac Jesus Christ. In response to David Dixon from Jerry the Messianic Jew. (Look up what that name really means.. hint. I have looked over 119 and their teachings are presented in a logical order, use lots of scripture, they explain the definitions for a reasonable person and understand it, and who is to say they dont do it out of love? If its proper for the resurrected Messiah to meet with His disciples on the first day of the week, its proper for me! I just looked at 2 videos. If you come across something in scripture that you do not believe or it bothers you ask the question WHY. The speakers are just men. This is found the OT, the NT and in the age to come. Evelyn, out of Jesus own mouth, he said he died for everyone & that ANYONE who believes will be saved. God forbid: yea, we establish the law.. Pride? If you dont wake up and smell smoke while theres still time, you truly run the risk of hearing the Lord Yeshua say to you on the final Day of Judgment, Go away from me you worker of lawlessness, I dont recognize you.. Well, we have this the gate is narrow, not wide! He dwells in us . A lot of Christians are taking the bait due to their interest in prophecy and Mark Biltzs blood moon theories. This is without a doubt the best comment response to this troubling movement and theology (119/hebrewroots/torahbabies, etc) that I have read. Its only when the Roman/Greek perspective takes over that heresy becomes the norm. Was Peter really the first pope? They are branches of the same tree! It is ok to believe someone to be entirely incorrect but as soon as you attack credibility by saying someone is using the word just as Satan did you make a leap in ad hominem attacks instead of simply refuting with your interpretations of facts. Time is running out, Leah. They dont need my help! Antonio, can I copy what you said and report it on another site. . Could it be again your belief system that you were raised with? I remembered that Jesus had said, "I am the . Therefore you are either of the house of Judah, the house of Israel, or a sojourner. They are God-ordained -so why would it be wrong to celebrate Jesus in remembrance of the spring feasts HE fulfilled and celebrate Jesus in the fall feasts which has will fulfill at His second coming? Do we follow the law in order to be saved? I apologize Leah, if thats not your stance on the topic. 119 Ministries teaches on page 4: If the old covenant Torah worked there would be no need for Jesus as he fulfilled the Torah and lives inside of those who are in Him. His Feast days are a prophetic picture of the redemption of mankind!! Read the early church fathers, read the didache. I understand your reluctance to read a book about Scripture written by a mere man, but I think God gave us wonderful minds to think and discern the truth and I cant find any errors in his logic. We are living in biblical timeswe are seeing prophecy being fulfilled before our eyes. How the church lies. I tell you that until heaven and earth pass away, not so much as a yud (jot) or a stroke (tittle) will pass from the Torah not until everything that must happen has happened. Jesus lives inside me and His Holy Spirit of grace talks with me everyday!!! Obviously not but nobodys attacking them anymore. For more on what we believe, please see this. They refuse to Act on the words/ instructions of shepherd Jesus. After seeing families being thrown into crisis by the Hebrew Roots movement and consequently 119 Ministries, I began doing some research on my own. Further on in the timeline of Matt. BTW if you thing the feasts have been done away with then why in Zach do we see where ALL mankind in the New Millennium are to observe the Feast of Tabernacles? I remember when I was attending a protestant church many years ago and there was a revival service Each night , we looked at different cults .and what they believed ..Jehovahs Witness one night Mormons another night , etc. Not for salvation, but for true worship. But some are clearly closer than others. Id encourage you to read that simultaneously with Gal. You know the old saying you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar? I pray Gods blessings over you. Also did you know the proto-hebrew and aramaic is more similiar to english than modern Hebrew in appearance and infact it looks like the letters were just turned sideways. Your last sentence agrees with Pauls understanding of the New Covenant in 2 Cor. And when others around them get confused by them, I try to show them Scripture and pray that God will protect their minds & hearts from what is false. Is it a deep-down fear of being perceived as Jewish because a person keeps the Holy Days that God ordained rather than the ones Rome ordained? And that is the final blow to ever entering the kingdom of heaventhere is none righteous, no not one. Hes still obligated to keep the law, but now he has no record. Why is Revelations mysterious overlooked star Wormwood (Rev 6-8) the key to understanding Revelation? We do it out of love and appreciation for what He did for us and because of that salvation we choose to do what honors Him (if you love me keep my commands, said Jesus. 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