He became affiliated with a local Crips gang in high school, and began selling marijuana at 14, and later sold cocaine. GROSS: That people can change and that you should look at the person and not just the crime - that you'd still be in prison, I mean? E WOODS: It was devastating because I had - one, I had just talked to Tyler, like, probably the day before. Nigel is a professor of photography at California State University in Sacramento. OK. And then the question is, well, what do we do about that? But apparently it's fine - like, if you fall in love, the prisoner and the volunteer fall in love, that's fine as long as the volunteer or the staff person is no longer going to be working there in any capacity. In 1997, Earlonne was sentenced to thirty-one years to life in prison. Jerry Brown (D) has commuted the prison sentence of Earlonne Woods, whose hit podcast Ear Hustle explores life inside San Quentin State Prison. California Gov. I mean, there's two likely outcomes if you're robbing drug dealers. But it was just - it was spectacular. NPR transcripts are created on a rush deadline by an NPR contractor. It was so kick-back and cool, meaning I take advantage of all these moments now. Earlonne Woods is an American podcaster and author, best known for co-hosting and co-founding the podcast Ear Hustle in 2017, and co-authoring the book This Is Ear Hustle in 2021. The podcast team announced Tuesday that it will hire Woods as an employee on the show. Woods and Poor cohost the show while Williams does the show's sound design, working in San Quentin's media lab to record music and effects, including foley work. Or would you just as soon not know and just judge them based on what they present to you in their interactions with you? And when you're in that moment, I think it's more of crime to people in society that commit crime. This text may not be in its final form and may be updated or revised in the future. Like, what - why were we on this path, you know? He commuted my sentence to be released forthwith, immediately, right now, its time to go, time to walk out that gate, he added, laughing. SHAPIRO: Nigel Poor told us that when Earlonne Woods came back POOR: He was walking with a lot of air in his step. Earlonne Woods is the co-creator, co-host, and co-producer of Ear Hustle (PRX & Radiotopia). We can go to the gym and work out together. There's a story you did about how people like you from the outside who come in to volunteer - because you started at San Quentin volunteering teaching photography before you started doing the podcast Ear Hustle. Earlonne resides in the United States. , after serving 21 years of a 31-years-to-life sentence. So now we're - I mean, we're friends, and we're colleagues. But I'd say a lot of people, particularly in law enforcement, want to look at the crime only, and that's really the big debate. You know, they playing with guns or whatever have you. After California Governor Jerry Brown commuted his sentence last month, Woods reflects on. But the things that you do in your past do add dimension to who you are in this moment. I don't know what tomorrow brings, but I know what's happening today and right now. Then there are those marriages that become the subjects of books . ARI. [9], In a Rolling Stone article about the show, Tana Ganeva called it "a fascinating, harrowing and also deeply entertaining look into life on the inside that runs the full gamut of emotions. He does not, however, expose his wife's identity to the public. And I always wore black. Woods is an inmate of the San Quentin State Prison in California. Earlonne continues to co-host the show with Nigel. E WOODS: Well, me growing up the way I grew up, I grew up in a lifestyle where I was young when I got into selling drugs, and I was - I was real young. And I'm like - I'm telling my son, son, look. Trevor has done 14 years of a 36-year sentence. He is 5 feet 7 inches tall ( Approx1.7 m). And it would give the people inside the opportunity to stretch themselves intellectually and emotionally, so just creating more of a connection. So I'm not thinking that it's serious as much as I'm hearing. In November 2018, California Governor Jerry Brown commuted Earlonne's sentence after 21 years of . Also Read: Earlonne Woods, . You know, prison, I'm going to live to the best of my ability. GROSS: Their brothers are the people who live in a similar world of fantasy as opposed to defining their brothers as being, you know, a skin color or ethnicity. After a break, we'll hear and talk about excerpts of two episodes of Ear Hustle, one about a death that was devastating for Earlonne, the other about an interview that raised serious ethical questions for Nigel. He and Nigel also co-wrote This Is Ear Hustle: Unflinching Stories of Everyday Prison Life, a book inspired by the podcast and published by Crown/Random House. So you can't wear blue, which is what they wear. Nigel Poor and Earlonne Woods are gifted storytellers, and their ability to draw intimate, authentic stories out of others is extraordinary. Oh, daddy, I'm not playing with no guns. GROSS: That's the sound of the San Quentin prison door slamming as my guest Earlonne Woods was released in late November after being incarcerated there for seven years. She co-created the podcast with Woods and has co-hosted and co-produced it with him. And it really wasn't until I got into the healing circle that I understood what it was like to be a survivor of crime because in these circles, you're sitting across from crime victims. (SOUNDBITE OF ETIENNE CHARLES' "MIDNIGHT"). (SOUNDBITE OF GOLDMUND'S "THE BALLAD OF BARBARA ALLEN"). I used to sit there and ask God, "Like, why am I living if I have to die?" And I think at that age I was questioning God. Even though you can't do nothing about your past, you just feel embarrassed about even going down that route, even victimizing anybody. While incarcerated, he received his GED, attended Coastline Community College, and completed many vocational programs. You're not really looking at the person. Nigel, I want to play an excerpt of an episode that you were very prominent in. Ear Hustle was a finalist for the 2020 Pulitzer Prize for Audio Reporting, and won a Alfred I. duPontColumbia University Award in 2021. We'll be right back. Mentally, it do, you know? GROSS: OK, so that was a little more than five years ago that Tyler was killed. He understood human nature. And for most people - for most people inside, they just want the chance to represent the person that they are today, you know? "[9] She also praised its originality, "[using] prisoners' storytelling skills to show what it's like to spend decades behind bars. Earlonne still co-hosts the show alongside Nigel. It received 1,537 entries from 53 countries. All rights reserved. Earlonne is busy reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for originally incarcerated people, while also documenting his own experiences. So there's a rule that pertains to the volunteers who come in, and they're not allowed to have, like, close relationships with the prisoners, anything that gets really intimate or emotional. With grace and humor they walk through what life is really like behind bars, showing the humanity and depth of those they meet inside." --Catherine Burns, artistic director, The Moth "I listen to Ear . As a result, it is unknown whether Earlonne is single, dating, or married. The podcast title, Ear Hustle, is prison slang for eavesdropping or being nosy. Its out of body, he said of getting the call from Browns office. Earlonne was born in 1972, in the United States. [13], The term "ear hustle" is prison slang for eavesdropping. I'm doing that. So for me internally, I started my change. But if we could just talk about it and come to some understanding about what's our responsibility, what's your responsibility? You're more looking at what you're getting out of the situation. It was like 2 in the morning. But you look back, and you're looking at it like, I've wasted, like - I can say right now, I'm 47 years old. She'll continue to do interviews inside San Quentin. He and Nigel are also the authors of This Is Ear Hustle: Unflinching Stories of Everyday Prison Life, a book that was inspired by the podcast and released by Crown/Random House. And I mean, we just knew that was the call. Or is he a good talker? Now Earlonne will be doing interviews with people like him who are transitioning back into society. Ear Hustle is a non-fiction podcast about prison life and life after incarceration created by Earlonne Woods and Antwan Williams, both formerly incarcerated, and Nigel Poor, an artist who volunteers at San Quentin State Prison. He is also involved in the Repeal California's Three Strike Coalition, which aims to end California . Is that OK? So it be at prison, I'm going to enjoy my day every day because at the end of the day, this is all I got, you know? ERIN: No, I don't feel you're being unfair at all, and I don't ultimately know what my hesitancy is. Earlonne stands at a height of 5 ft 7 in ( Approx1.7 m). He also founded CHOOSE1, which aims to repeal the California Three Strikes Law, the statute under . And when I was sitting in a county jail, you know, mentally, I pretty much divorced myself from that whole way of life in that moment, you know? And then when I got out, I hadn't put any skill sets together, you know? Earlonne Woods was born and raised in South Central Los Angeles. Like, my mother used to bring him. So you look at the time wasted, and you look at, man, if I knew better or I should've did better. And I believe, personally, that that will ease overcrowding because there are a lot of people in prison that deserve to be out. Should we recognize the change, or once you did the act, that's who you are - your essence, your identity - and never to be considered? In 1997, he was sentenced to 31-years-to-life in prison. Earlonne is busy reporting on re-entry stories and daily life for originally incarcerated people, while also documenting his own experiences. So me, personally, I would eradicate the three strikes law in California. She started going to San Quentin to volunteer teaching photography. [8][9][16] Vulture's Nicholas Quah noted a particular story a prisoner told about a frog in episode three: "a moment of levity in a setting often described in the worst of terms, a productive kind of conversation between the specificities of a person and the overpowering context of his incarceration. And I was - yeah, I was definitely nervous. Vice President . And just listening to her tell her story to us and knowing that I've been in these type of situations or knowing that I've been probably on the other side of the gun or whatever the case may be and just hearing her loss, hearing her heartfelt testimony about this was really - it was shakening (ph), you know? So you recorded interviews with Trevor and Tyra talking about how difficult it is to maintain a relationship with your child when you're incarcerated and how difficult it is to help them stay out of trouble. He likes to keep his personal life private hence Earlonne has not mentioned any details concerning his marital status. And I think that's a shared philosophy with everybody that's in prison - is that you have to just deal with what's going on today, you know, and just not let the pressures of prison just get to your core and crush you. Woods is expected to be released on parole in the coming days, after serving 21 years of a 31-years-to-life sentence. And you have another 11 to go. And you've said in the past that he was always the quietest person in the room, but you could tell he was a good observer. Earlonnes estimated net worth is $657,586. Part of HuffPost News. E WOODS: I, personally, would like to eradicate California's three strikes law because I think that there's a lot of people that's sentenced under this law, which everybody thinks is 25 to life. I was questioning everything. Earlonne has not yet revealed any information about his parents. You guys are killing me (laughter). E WOODS: Right, right. In some ways, like, I find it hard to understand that somebody, like, wouldn't have any empathy for the victim and wouldn't care. But the law don't see your rehabilitation. So I think I understand more the complexity and the pressures and inside I get to see men relating in very heartfelt ways. And so to me, that meant he was a very good observer. POOR: Well, let me ask you this - do you feel like we're being unfair trying to make you do this? So, yeah. [3][4] In 1997, at the age of 25, he was arrested for attempted second degree robbery. But you may have the African-Americans who go to prison and they're at certain places and you don't get that question. POOR: Yeah, not skewed, not skewed. And the officer came back, was like, you're too tall for that name. GROSS: Nigel, let me bring you into the conversation. And when the men started filing into my class, I was like, oh, what have I done? E WOODS: In between prison - when I got out - Tyler had just been born in '94. - like, was with him pretty much every day. Earlonne Woods was born in the United States in 1972. Nigel is a professor at California State University. I have all the different people that I talk to as I work my way down to the media lab. So I think what kept me sane is that I had the philosophy where, I am going to live to the best of my ability every day that I have left on this Earth no matter where I'm at. And he understood how to diffuse a situation. And that surprised me greatly. Do you usually know what somebody is in for and do you ask, or is that considered wrong to ask? E WOODS: Well, I mean, it's cool, you know? But I just - just took a course that was - seemed cool to me at the time. The authoritative record of NPRs programming is the audio record. In 1997, he was sentenced to 31-years-to-life in prison. I took their security from them to even walk out the house and feel safe, you know? Once the details concerning Earlonne's marital status are available we shall update. His net worth is estimated to be $657,586. He received a sentence of 31-years-to-life. T WOODS: I received an email from one of my partners. And, you know, we was clowning on the phone. He works as a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator with Ear Hustle at PRX alongside Nigel Poor. They're waiting to get inside a club, and somebody from way across the street just shoot into the crowd, hit him in the heart, right? You know, they get to see each other in passing. GROSS: And you basically just described your own situation when you were incarcerated because you got 31 to life for attempted second-degree robbery. I go over to Nigel's house, hang out with her husband Rick. Jerry Brown commuted his 31-years-to-life . Therese Madden directed today's show. GROSS: So Tyler's father, your brother, is still in San Quentin during the final year that you were in San Quentin. And he used to come see me, you know, a lot. Earlonne Woods was born and raised in South Central Los Angeles. [7] They recruited fellow inmates Antwan Williams as the show's sound designer,[8] and submitted their idea for a podcast to a contest hosted by Radiotopia. I was on some - I would like to say other words, but I'm holding my (laughter) E WOODS: (Laughter) I'm on the radio. My first prison term, I went to jail when I was 17. [8] Galen Beebe's review for The Atlantic called it a "brilliant series" which "return[s] some of the humanity that the carceral system removes and provide[s] a link between inmates and outsiders. Earlonne Woods is the co-creator, co-host, and co-producer of Ear Hustle (PRX & Radiotopia). Woods said that the show chose the topic of cellmates for its first episode to ensure the show was relatable, since most people can relate to having a bad roommate. Then she started doing interviews, and then they started working together co-producing a radio show and then the podcast. Since the podcasts launch in 2017, its been downloaded, announcing the commutation, the governor echoed that thought, saying Woods has clearly shown that he is no longer the man he was when he committed this crime.. And you've had two separate stays, and the last one lasted 21 years. Woods is a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator of PRXs Ear Hustle with Nigel Poor. POOR: But I get to see his brother and catch him up on what you're doing. Woods' sentence was recently commuted, but the two continue to tell stories of life behind bars. So I'm trying to like - I'm trying to partner with you here. What keeps your hopes up? Earlonne was both co-host and inmate. He also founded CHOOSE1, which aims to repeal the California . So, Nigel, when you decided you wanted to start, like, a interview series that started on KALW - the public - one of the public radio stations in San Francisco, and then it became a podcast - you wanted a co-host and co-producer who was incarcerated in San Quentin. They fell in love just like anyone else would. GROSS: And, Earlonne, I look forward to your interviews with people who, like you, are transitioning back into society from prison. They searched Tyler, and then they ran his name. GROSS: So can I ask you an honest question? I mean, I try to be, like, open and honest about my past and the things that I've done, including what I've done to get to prison. 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While incarcerated at California State Prison, Centinela, Woods saw a documentary about the film school at San Quentin State Prison, and applied to transfer to that prison. ALEX BLUMBERG: And so a friend of Earlonne's, a volunteer at the prison, had an idea: with this spotlight on his work, and having served now two decades of his 31-to-life sentence, Earlonne should put in for a commutation -- make an official appeal to the governor, to set him free. While incarcerated, he received his GED, attended Coastline Community College, and completed many vocational programs. Toni Storm is well-known in the wres. Also with us is Nigel Poor. Like, in the county jail, I was like, OK, I'm done with this side of life because even though our philosophy growing up was for death though - you know, meaning I'd rather be carried by six than judged by 12 - that was just the philosophy we had growing up, you know? "When. He is a podcast host correspondent. Earlonne Woods, co-host of the popular prison podcast Ear Hustle, had his sentence commuted by California Gov. GROSS: Are you going to go back and visit him? And that's pretty much what I did. He also founded CHOOSE1, which aims to repeal the California . But very quickly, when we started talking about photography - I was teaching a history of photography class - that kind of melted away. In 1997, Earlonne was sentenced to thirty-one years to life in prison. I've never felt scared or disrespected. She inherits his dog, a 180-pound Great Dane, who, like her, is grieving. POOR: You know, a kind of joy I never really experienced before - I mean, it's - you know, to be so happy for him and being in prison and not wanting to cry (laughter) - you know, trying to hold it together. What's it like to not think about that? You have to wear the same clothes all the time. So I'm going to enjoy. [11], By September 2021, Ear Hustle episodes had been downloaded over 54 million times. And, Nigel and Earlonne, I want to wish you good luck with the retooled version of Ear Hustle now that Earlonne is out. There's a man that I worked with for quite a while that I was very fond of. It was a private wedding ceremony, according to accounts. I was just done. And the thing that I noticed in particular about him was that whenever there was an issue going on - and, of course, inside prison, there's all kinds of issues - and if we would have to sit down to solve a problem, Earlonne was the one who would speak up, cut through all of the baloney and get to the point. A person can get certain - a certain amount of time for the crime that they commit. 2023 BuzzFeed, Inc. All rights reserved. Woods, 47, was recently released from San Quentin State Prison after California Gov. Even after Woods is out on parole in Oakland, California, Ear Hustle said that it will continue, with Poor telling more tales from those inside San Quentin and Woods talking about the journey to re-enter society after years behind bars. He also founded CHOOSE1, which aims to repeal the California . Don't be - whatever you do, don't play with no guns. They surrounded Tyler around a - at a apartment building, where he was trying to climb up to the roof. And so to hear this is what happened to him - ah. You feel invincible in some ways. It's a job. I'm pretty shy. He works as a full-time producer, co-host, and co-creator of Ear Hustle at PRX alongside Nigel Poor. So on December 7, 1994, I murdered my ex-girlfriend, the mother of my now-25-year-old daughter. They eventually met this person. GROSS: Wait; so that means, like, you'd rather die than be E WOODS: Yes, yes. 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