1st, you came back from a trip? What they did to her daughter is unconscionable. Her arm was severely damaged, so shattered that she needed a graft from a hip bone. In reality,the whole caseturned out to beno small sacrifice for Diane Downs, but it was a huge victory for the State, the media anda very lucrative deal for theQueen of crime fiction herself; Ann Rule. Robert L Knickerbocker, 63. Children under the age of twelve may cognitively grasp the concept of truth and lie, but lack the conscience which compels people to apply the concept to their lives, or the strength to maintain the truth when adults coerce her to lie. But for what it is worth, I believe she tried to kill her 3 kids. I agree in both cases they were high profile cases. It was in Mesa that Diane had an affair with a coworker and became pregnant yet again. Maybe she wanted to buy drugs. If you want to defend Diane Downs, more power to you. Movie scene alleging that Christie was scared. The point is our trials need to be conducted fairly and based on evidence. Libby, I quoted what Diane said. Substituting reasonable inference and evidence for tarot cards? Tracy, I never said she was in the car. But to convince this young and vulnerable girl to turn on her mother, they needed to isolate her from her family and work relentlessly on her confession.. Christies response: My mom.. Anything less is a conflict of interest. According to your own experience Lori, dont they try to give grandparents custody or at least access in cases comparable to this one? Downs was constantly provoked by inmates because of the nature of her situation, and she never once attacked or defended herself in a violent manner. She has come a long way. This is what Mrs Downs had to say about the situation. And Robert Knickerbocker became one of her lovers. Find 77 people named Robert Knickerbocker along with free Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok profiles on PeekYou - true people search. Christie NEVER said she didnt know who did it she was just unwilling or afraid to tell on her mother. I lived in Eugene, Oregon for years. In the spring of 1986, Christie confided to school mates that shed been coerced to lie in court, to implicate her mother (Appendix 1-2). Instead of shooting the little kids, why didnt the carjacker/killer (CK) simply shoot DD dead and take her car? Almost from day one, Diane was perceived as a cancer they had to remove. Not even the gun. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled Ann Rules Sloppy Storytelling, but she lost and had to make restitution. That is the way she was brought up,especially at the demand of her rigid but verydedicated father. They should have taken the time necessary to find enough evidence. Isnt is odd how something we are exposed to as children can stick in our memory? Lived In Grand Rapids MI, Tempe AZ. Fair question. I had visited Dr. Billings site several times and it is too bad that it was removed. She claims the 13-year-old boy was also shot with a BB gun and taunted with racial slurs during a sleepover. Diane changed her story about the stranger on the road. Not giving you free reign here. Robert K Knickerbocker. Diane was known for her love of all animals whichshe treated with great care, and for her independent and wild streak. It is also very is to clean. Dianes injury had to be quite painful and shewas in shockwhile driving to the hospital and accompanying the detectives to the crime scene. One should also wonder why their biological father who was so eager to bash his ex on the stand was not given custody, and did not stay in contact with his two remaining children. It should be illegal to use real names and facts from a criminal case while influencing the publicto falselybelieve that the whole content of the filmis true. A fair trial is a right in this country, not a judicial suggestion. On her way to the hospital,she was followed by someone who said she was going slow, but Diane said she was driving fairly fast. Any thoughts on how the detectives basically made up their mind right away in spite of numerous tips coming in? She never mentioned that before, and she doesnt mention the FBI agents name. It was demonstrated at trial that the shooter shot the kids at close range. This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports.. While Rules book is biased, it was a look into the view of those who wanted justice for those children, wether you agree w/ their conclusion or not, that was their goal. statement regarding the effects of the childrens medications while in hospital should acknowledge where the blogger obtained information about the side effects.). View the profiles of people named Robert Knickerbocker. 6. Would you know at what speed you are going if you were shot and driving with wounded children in the car? I will post it when I get it. From what we know about Becky, she had chosen a difficult path and Diane was trying to warn her. They examined her clothes also. What a terrible injustice. Diane didnt ask Knick to leave his wife. Guilt or innocence no longer need to be debated in this case. And thats fair enough. The very suspicious aspect of this ballistic saga is that Hugi said they had the bill of sale and serial number for the first Ruger and it was definitely the murder weapon. As for how to answer this question,,, seems like he is assuming guilt and because of this my parents or me or my brothers and sister, our uncles and aunts were not considered because of an unproven allegation Does he truly believe this is ok??? That she had no blood or gun powder anywhere when she allegedly shot at close range? She says she was outside the car n watched the man shoot her children n then the only adult n person who could tell police about him only gets a shot in the arm n takes time to bandage her arm. If youre curious to know more about Robert, then we have got your back. Spokeo's database, while extensive, does not contain all U.S. warrant, arrest, court, or other related records. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics. Of course. This site is provided as a service of SCI Shared Resources, LLC. The circumstances surrounding the case were not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). In case you did not read the blog: During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath. He still shouldnt have been allowed to adopt them while the appeals process was ongoing, if he had any role in those cases. This is to avoid the conflict of interest that we read about above. I know people who know or knew people is not a valid argument. My problem with the circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children is that they were twisted by the media. Her children deserved the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The powers that be knew they had nothing on Diane so Christie became their sacrificial lamb: opinion, not fact One of the flaws was the relationship between the DA and the children. The detectives took Diane to the crime scene and were able to retrieve shell cases on the ground where the incident happened. Even if they say that she did not get involved in rehabilitation programs, she did participate, but obviously did not admit to killing her daughter and injuring the others. You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. Belli filed a motion for a 2-week extension to familiarize himself with the case because he had to be in Italy, and declared Diane innocent in a press conference, but Foote denied the motion and declared you have an attorney, use him.. Downs is said to have claimed that she spotted a bushy-haired man who waved down her car along the desolate road. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPLkIcSzftE&ab_channel=DianeDownsArchives. Help tell the story of your loved ones unique life. Are her parents still living (I know they were a few years ago)? For the children to be legally free for adoption a termination of parental rights had to occur. With over 1,900 locations, Dignity Memorial providers proudly serve over 375,000 families a year. And with hindsight, the fact that this young mother had a personality disorder probably brought a lot of drama to the mix. This article is about due process and the legal right to a fair trial for everyone. To this day, there is not enough evidence to prove her guilt or innocence. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI: Downs lawyer at the time should have objected as the term was non existent. Instead of grieving, Alice went partying and had sex. Name: Robert A Knickerbocker, Phone number: (520) 293-1877, State: AZ, City: Tucson, Zip Code: 85705 and more information Brewer changed his mind. He freely admitted HE decided to ask for a divorce on his birthday without consulting Diane, who was out of town Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, Why did the mean man shoot me? and it would be written down in the daily notes. A new trial would be out of the question, so to me, parole would be the solution. The presence or absence of records for any individual is not a guarantee of any kind. Maybe because of her notoriety and the victims were children. Nobody near to help. Everything was in the bag and ready for trial. Standards of conduct are defined by state law, but they generally require a judge to avoid appearances of impropriety, such as avoiding deciding a dispute in which the judge is personally involved in the issue at stake or has a relationship to one of the parties.. I felt there was something that should be done, but I was at a loss in how to cope with the Court that had given the children to the prosecutor and allowed false testimony to seal her fate. But, Diane also claimed that Robert had told her that he was planning on leaving his wife and moving to Oregon to be with her. (Yes, speculative). The case NEVER made sense to me. Mind you, it is before the trial. I mean if a guy admits to killing children over and over, shouldnt we pay attention to that? We'll help you find the right words to comfort your family member or loved one during this difficult time. But I am realistic. Downs was born in Phoenix, Arizona, on August 7, 1955, to Danish and English American parents Wesley Linden and Willadene Frederickson. How was DD able to get away from CK and get the keys back into the ignition without there being more attempts on her life? Anyways. Modernism mixed with Medieval state of mind. If there is one thing Diane knew about her lover, is that he was fickle and did not like trouble of any kind. That poor girl. One of the more bizarre scenes in this farce of an investigation was about to unfold. Robert Knickerbocker in Scottsdale, AZ Robert Knickerbocker may also have lived outside of Scottsdale, such as Phoenix. While not evidence of guilt or innocence, it is certainly worth noting as part of the overall wrongs perpetrated during this fiasco of a trial and subsequent appeals. Yes, dad relinquished his rights but he knew that they loved their grandparents and had allowed Diane to take them for a visit without telling the authorities. Diane was in the hospital for a bone graft from June 2nd until June 6th, 1983. Diane now had the title of dangerous offender. (LOL!! If you had commented on one of the elements contained in the blog, it might have been enlightening. Ultimately, the blogger is entitled to their opinion as is everyone else. From the time Diane was a teenager, when a physician ordered visterol in an emergency room situation, it has been documented again and again that sedatives ingested while Diane is in pain, provoke a chemically induced hysteria in her. ""Moochie"" was a Senior at the time of his death, November 6, 1974. . As was his habit, Knick failed to take into consideration what Diane or his wife had to say on the matter. Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. Send a note, share a story or upload a photo. It opened a huge can of worms regarding the real identity of the heart full of lies in this case. Usually it isnt there but every once in awhile, it comes out. Im not saying I know for a fact in my mind shes innocentbut there is NOT enough evidence for her to be guilty. Moms were working more, we were becoming the latch key generation, as in we let ourselves in alone while still in elementary school.when I mentioned before about maturity of a 8, 9, 10 year oldwe loved playing outside on bikes, and playing with our dolls, boys usually had their action figures..lol.and we loved our moms, even if they were young and liked to go out and sent us to babysitters..the book and movie, Im quite sure, over did the situation..and Im sure there was more on both sides, the family of diane, diane herself, but well never know all the details. What mother takes her kids out at night and then stops for a stranger with her kids in the car? She was extremely intelligent but her emotional IQ was no match and her desire for freedom, love and affection were dangerously dragging her down a path of self-destruction. College: SOUTHERN METHODIST UNIVERSITY. I am also engaged in other wrongful convictions that have taken place within the US. UNLOCK PROFILE. In Rules book, Diane is portrayed as a horrible selfish mother but her family and friends saw another version; she lovedher childrendearly and worked hard to be a good provider. I have watched her parole hearing. I would love to hear your answers to them. Police witness reports of strangers and confessions were suppressed or not pursued. She was not given one inch of presumption of innocence. Arizona's governor, AG, condemn as 'barbaric' induced labor of . BUT like you rightly explain, there was no real evidence of her guilt. This same witness corroborated that Diane did not stop to do something suspicious or dispose of the gun. When analysing this blog, look at three statements from the blogger: Diane Downs and Alice Crummins were considered sluts You cant possibly shake off all the gun powder residue and avoid all the blood. The time was spent waiting for the clock to tick down the final seconds for all appeals to the parental termination to be allowed. woman quot~ unquote, do you remember anything like that? For all my life I have thought I was not that smart, but now I can tell myself, hey cheer up could be worse. But strangely, they took no photos of the crime scene and did not lift fingerprints from the drivers side of the car. did he have eyes in the back of his head.???? What kind of arrangement is appropriate, where should you send it, and when should you send an alternative? I like to believe the best about people too but there are certain things that absolutely cant be ignored. http://www.dianedowns.com/Dr.%20Jamison%20affidavit.pdf. And she would have been under supervision. She wrote to the governor several times after being dismissed coldly by Hugi and the system. I agree on many points with your comment. The blog tries to bring balance and more objectivity to a case that was TOTALLY one sided and still is. I personally dont think she is innocent but that isnt the point. Diane recanted the stories about her dad who vehemently denied them. The children were in the hospital, it isnt like they could have taken them home. A fact strongly denied by Diane and by the nurses reports. I am a strong believer that pregnancy can do serious harm to some women. Imagine the ones there for years. Apparently drug mafia wanted to punish her for messing her nose in forbidden places, not because she was getting any real business in that but simply because she had one of the poorest judgements a person can have. There is also a critical shortage of Foster Carers internationally, so that the Hugis offered to take the children in could be viewed as altruistic. Have you actually read the transcript of the trial?? Looking for Robert Knickerbocker? Say Her Name - But Spell It Right - The Tale of Breonna Taylor, Scott Peterson Was not Entitled to a Perfect Trial, but he Was Entitled to a Fair One He Received Neither. But the birth of little Danny did not make this bad boy change his stripes; he remained a cad and a destabilizing force in their lives. Christie was only eight, had suffered gunshot wounds and was in shock. He strung her along, played with both womens emotions, and after saying he would join her in Oregon, reneged and stayed with his wife. She was harshly judged because of her demeanor. They felt safe there. It sounds like this was not the case with Dianes children. She is nowhere near being paroled and if she admitted guilt, I am not even convinced they would release her. But if you compare the time she was seen by the witness to the timing of her arrival at the hospital, it seems to indicate she went pretty fast, butnone of it was explained ordemonstrated properly. 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